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landowners Paving part of the District Roads

Trying to reach out to more landowners

During the last meeting a proposal was presented to the board in which a few landowners want to pave part of the districts roads at no cost to the district.

Please read the minutes of the last meeting or listen to the meeting recording.

The board would appreciate your comments, concerns and opinions

Thank You

Jim

31 comments

31 Comments

Z, Henry & Kerry

Jun 24, 2022

Jim, Whitney, and Nyle~

We will see how the meeting goes on Tuesday night. Elise said she will present information on what happened to Buckhorn she also said other bids would be presented. We, along with all of you and probably most of the community, hope for a less expensive proposal but something that would be guaranteed to last longer than what has been done already, Elise was also going to call Taylor NW and speak with someone about them possibly fixing Buckhorn as it was their work, per Elise, that led to the issues. Jim and Whitney, I did write above the answer to the two questions that Whitney asked about a ballot measure. It would be only those who have residency in Panoramic Estates that could vote on any ballot measure in Deschutes County. I (Kerry) feel certain that most renters would vote NO as they do not want their rents increasing. As far as splitting the work bid evenly among property owners, I was told that is possible but would take a vote of everyone to see what the consensus is. I spoke with Mr. Michael Lui. It sounds like that process could be lengthy. Our biggest concern is if the property owners want to pave in front of their own properties, or on the roads leading to their properties, us having liked the Otta-Seal and wanting the Otta-Seal, at some point down the road, if we choose to do that, or if the entire neighborhood votes for Otta-Seal, can it 'butt' up to the asphalt that will be laid? Elise if you see this, perhaps you can ask the person you mentioned having an appointment with on Saturday about bidding on the Buckhorn repairs.

Thank you.

Henry & Kerry Zenich

Green Ridge Loop

541-549-1340

4oregonz@gmail.com

dennis

Jun 22, 2022

That is a good question, Whitney. I have always felt that it should be the property owner who votes. Regardless, I think the purpose of the board is to assess and serve the majority of folks rather than just assuming that everyone wants paving.

Whitney Lowe

Jun 22, 2022

Replying to

Thanks Dennis. I agree that the board's role is to serve the majority of folks and we have always made an effort to follow what the majority of people want. Clearly there isn't an assumption that everyone wants paving! :)

Whitney Lowe

Jun 22, 2022

I find it interesting that some people are upset about private landowners paying for road upgrades in the district. Nobody seemed to get upset when the north Lake Drive neighbors had to pony up over $20,000 to fix the roads (that are within the road district boundaries) because the road board at that time didn't want to take on maintenance of this section.

dennis

Jun 22, 2022

Replying to

I don't know, Whitney. We thought those roads were out of the district. When you hired the work to be done independently of the district it seemed to verify that assumption.

Whitney Lowe

Jun 22, 2022

Replying to

@dennis That's actually not true. I attended multiple meetings about this and discussed with the board the fact that we paid into the road district and were clearly within the boundaries of the road district. We were told by the board essentially that you couldn't do anything about it (which we know is not true because we now have addressed that). We only paid for the road work to be done when it became apparent that the board wasn't going to assist us in this matter.

dennis

Jun 22, 2022

I have friends who live on Mountain View Road, way out at the Eastern extreme of Squaw Creek Canyon Estates. They drove a long dusty gravel road for years. and couldn't take it anymore. Recently after investigating options, including Otta Seal, they opted in favor of asphalt. The neighbors agreed to share the costs. Some paid more than others, one paid none. They got it done and it's a beautiful road with speed bumps, identified with snow plow poles.

They could do this because they are not an entity, just neighbors working together.

Panoramic, on the other hand, is a special district of Oregon with Board Members appointed by County Commissioners. It's a public road system. It is not legal for an individual or a group of people to affect change to these roads. The recent proposal by three homeowners to pave the section that serves them seems like a good idea, sort of. It sounds generous and was stated to be a benefit to over twenty households. The thing is, what's perceived as a benefit by some may not be a benefit to others. Believe it or not, some people made their home here because the roads are NOT paved. Kind of a rural rustic getaway from the mainstream? What if a group those folks decided to pool their money to remove pavement? There are differing opinions here. That is why we rely on a democratic process. I support whatever the majority votes for. A ballot measure in a real election has been and I think continues to be the most accurate way to determine what the majority of Panoramicans prefer. All other efforts to achieve a biased outcome are in my opinion corrosive to the principles of American democracy.

Whitney Lowe

Jun 22, 2022

Replying to

Dennis Thanks for your note and sharing that road experience. I am curious to hear your input about this vote as you are clearly interested in finding the most fair way to have this determination. Do you feel the ballot measure is a more fair way to vote on the project if: 1. it lets people vote that may no longer be in the neighborhood when the project is even started (for example, renters with a voter registration in the neighborhood that move out in a short period). 2. People who own property here and will be assessed a large sum for the project, but don't happen to live in the neighborhood at the present time, are excluded from the vote. To me that still seems unfair and undemocratic. I know there is no perfect answer and there are pros and cons of each, but I would like to know more about why people feel it is more fair for registered voters to vote as opposed to property owners.

ewolf97

Jun 23, 2022

Replying to

Great example Dennis! Thank you. Do you think your road wants this paving? Do you - aren't you across the street from Nyle? I thought that the other property owners who would be affected - those before Nyle's driveway - were chipping in and wanted it. The SRD rules do not say it is illegal for property owners to do road improvements - but the county does have rules for installation. Where are you reading or finding information that says it is illegal, that would be helpful for the board to have.

ewolf97

Jun 22, 2022

Oh, in terms of board bashing...this group of board members have been some of the most educated, caring, and interested we have had. The knowledge they all possess is substantial. Nyle is a kind and generous man, and has worked his rear off to try to do something that finally offers a long-term fix to our funky roads. In reality, to fix our roads we would need to lay down several layers of gravel bed on all of them, since none have much side berm. The Otta Seal was an option that would have reduced the loss of gravel, cut down dust, and reduced maintenance costs all for the SAME COST as doing all new gravel. But, perhaps future boards will come up with new solutions. New ideas. And, have the energy and willingness to be the punching bags that clearly board members must be here in our "community." It is sad that only the people who have negative things to say get on here.

Z, Henry & Kerry

Jun 22, 2022

Replying to

Hello Elise. It would be nice if people would use this forum. We have had very educated and well-spoken members of the board in the past. Did you ever attend any meetings, as I do not recall you being there, and we always have attended, one or both of us? My father who stayed here summers often went also. I honestly think the roads have not been a big topic until the last couple of years. Twenty years ago, we had to pull over on Panoramic to allow one of us going in either direction to pass. The roads are at least twice as wide as they were. I think that happens from speed, but I am not an authority, only guessing. I hope that all that I am saying here is not perceived as negative, but proactive. I will be calling Jim per his request in a few minutes. I will not move ahead on anything without talking with Whitney and Jim first. I wanted to get some of the questions posed answered by the county or the powers that be. I would be happy to speak with you on the phone if you would call me. Give me a bit, as I do need to call Jim before the day gets away from me. Our number is 541-549-1340. It is a home phone as we get poor to no cell service here. I look forward to your call. Thanks, Elise. Kerry

PS I have been told that Nyle is kind and generous. I would like to see that.

Doug N Shiela

Jun 23, 2022

Replying to

@ewolf97 things became contentious when the board wanted to spend other peoples money without a proper vote. I tried to be on the board, remember when I convinced Tony deBone to attend the meeting? The board requires like minded people only so please spare me the poor volunteers being under appreciated speech. The board has become an exclusive club, if you disagree with their methods you need not apply. And, as for Nyle, the best part of road leads to his driveway and the worst 2 sections are as bad as they were 4 years ago.

ewolf97

Jun 22, 2022

Thanks Kerry for chipping in and helping pursue solutions to the roads. It would be great if you and Glenn could get the ballot measure going. I am hoping that through your efforts we can finally see something more than dirt. Please run for the board. A position will be open this year (maybe even two).

johnsonmk

Jun 20, 2022

Okey doke. So if we get buried in the snow I’ll call you to dig us out. 😂

Jim Becker

Jun 20, 2022

Melody

My written statements don't always come across as I mean them

Yes it is a serious problem when the annual revenue for next year in total is only estimated to be $39,000. We are estimating carrying over approx. $26,000 from this years budget into next year or about 2/3 rds of this years revenue into next year.

Your welcome to call anytime if a statement is made that sounds bad, if you have a question and certainly if you have suggestions

Thanks let's all move forward as a community

Jim

Z, Henry & Kerry

Jun 19, 2022

Well, it sounded that way, Jim, just as you took what she wrote as rude or snide.

I will close now and you dads enjoy your day. I am going to spend the day with my daughter, granddaughter, and son-in-law, celebrating him today. Be well and enjoy your day.

~Kerry

Jim Becker

Jun 19, 2022

You missed the whole point of the comment on driving on Buckhorn. I was not trying to be snide.

Z, Henry & Kerry

Jun 19, 2022

Okay, here we go again! WORD GAMES GUYS!!

Whitney point #1; What was the ONE bid that Nyle obtained for? VERY high if I recall. He then mentioned work would start in August, before the others, one of you, mentioned getting the three bids first. HENCE why we added a few other contractors to look at. SO Nyle did indeed mention a very large amount and had it scheduled prior to the meeting. HENCE concern from others, not just us.

Point #2 Logistics of the Ballot measure: There are logistical problems with pursuing any ballot measure right now. In particular: A. We don't have a consensus agreement on who will get to vote on any new project. B. We don't have a consensus on what type of funding would be used for the project. Until we come to an agreement on those issues we can't get an accurate read of support for any type of paving project.

NO, we do not have any consensus, NOR have your issues/points been discussed at a board meeting. How can an agreement be made if it is not discussed, Whitney? Let's just admit that it will not be on a ballot anytime soon, as Nyle is working on the other issue, for which we had better not have to pay a cent for it legally..

Jim's budget shows we have $65,208. Nyle's bid, and he did say it was scheduled for August before someone pulled back on the reins, was going to be $48,739.50. For 800' only of Buckhorn, Panoramic was not addressed and many people drive that road. Jim, to get to Hinkle Butte you must drive on Panoramic. We guess folks can turn left on Buckhorn and then Green Ridge Loop and avoid the worse part of Panoramic Drive and get to Hinkle Butte. Perhaps this will give them that idea. You were snide in your reply to Melody or the Johnson family as a whole. It does not matter WHAT roads we drive, the road maintenance of all roads is the responsibility of the road board. We do not need to be told how good or bad our roads are, as they are our roads in the Panoramic District. We believe that you and Whitney understand that and possibly Nyle does not. He has not once been on here to defend or speak to anything. The board ignored BuckHorn and Panoramic, as they (or Nyle) were sure the vote would pass. WHY could it be otta=sealed with the rest of Panoramic but must have a very expensive asphalt job now?

Asking for our thoughts then not really wanting them or not liking the wording someone may have used, is not a reason, to write in a snide or snotty way back. "The District is not allowed to print money so it has to do what it can with the money received." DO you really believe the Johnsons were stating to print money?!

If whoever they seek legal counsel from, at their own cost, states it is legal in writing that we can all see, NYLE has said on many SEVERAL occasions that things are legal without proof and not backed by either you Jim or Whitney at the meetings, something in writing and stating where and what law covers it AND also our big concern is how would otta-seal work butting up to asphalt if we choose to go that route someday, as that is what we were looking forward to.

Let's honestly work and get this on the ballot. Your reasons above make NO SENSE. It sounds like Nyle "speak" actually. I believe the cut-off date is October 10. I (Kerry) will take it upon myself and contact Deschutes County and ask if a ballot vote is held can out of area homeowners vote legally and leave renters out of the vote. From what I have read online, it is not possible unless someone can get the legislature or voters to amend the Oregon Constitution. However, I will follow up on that this week, hopefully, tomorrow, Monday 20 June.

Whitney, how are these usually funded when it goes to a ballot measure, with the increased taxes, correct? Yes, it would likely put the work out until 2023 or even later, but maybe prices would drop by then. I think after the primary's in the fall, our economy may start getting better.

Only time will tell and we can only hope that prices start dropping, as this is an insane economy to live in.

Happy Father's Day to you both. Not a day we need to be arguing on here. Obviously, we are not in agreement again. We hope that the two of you remain honest and show integrity in questioning some of Nyle's decisions. REALLY getting one bid and scheduling the job was crazy of him, and he does not think before he speaks either.

We personally would like to see Nyle resign, sooner rather than later.

Regards,

Kerry & Henry

(Kerry writing with Hank on the phone from Boston in total agreement with what I am writing.)

Z, Henry & Kerry

Jun 20, 2022

Replying to

@Whitney Lowe , We are obviously not in agreement with much of what you have said above. Last month you said how much the Ballot measure would be. Someone (perhaps Nyle) quoted $5000. to $12.000. For what? Is this including legal fees? I will contact Glenn Brown and will be happy to look into the ballot measure since the board seems to think it cannot be done. I will ask the question about per lot assessment or a

flat fee for all, which I cannot find that ever having been done. I will take this job on now and get on it. You and Jim are scrambling a bit and it seems to be in protecting Nyle. I have no issue in asking the hard questions of the county. I believe your synopsis above about an otta seal project is far fetched. People will vote no or yes, period. I think there are many soured by not trusting the board at this point. I (we) are just neighbor's that want the fees base on what our property assessment is, just as the Fire Levy and School Bond were done, how the rules are written. Really someone with a huge home who has no children pays for the school bond based on their assessed value, we may not agree, just as your comparison (or Lee or Nyle's) to people who just purchased in Panoramic. That should not even be considered. The rules have been written in the past. If the board or Nyle wants to rewrite them, this is not the place nor the time to do that.

The front entry paving was done probably eight years ago. If I recall correctly, we had a Reserve Paving Fund. It was voted to pave the most trafficked area, which was the entry way to the Y. We would have to have the records, which you have said this board does not have access to, I believe is was about $24k. When whoever in the government voted these rules in, it was based on science and what was best for the electors. You and I did not vote on them, nor no-one I know.

Nyle's unwillingness to get this initiative on a ballot is very frustrating. The excuses you are giving are not legal.

The only thing I would not be able to do is come up with the % figure to be charged per $1000. of residents assessed value. Same point where Mr. Brown would have needed

assistance.

His form in the forum post under "Ballot Measure" which appears complete without that figure. I have reached out to him and look forward to knowing what the cost quoted was.

ALSO the board has stated that they do not have the records available on the last attempts (two in 20 years) for Panoramic Road improvement. Yes, this is the first (second term for Nyle) of electronic record keeping, however those records have to be somewhere. Perhaps when found we can get them scanned into the system that has been started.

I will make some calls to former road members before Annie, and whoever else was on the board then.

Thank you for your time. I cannot argue your points any longer. I know for sure of at least nine folks that were against this shared fees that would vote yes on the assessed value, that Nyle said will never pass. He surely doubts all of the new owners in here, who many were on the special committee and would like the roads improved. You cannot think they do not want to pay their share of the roads.

Regards,

Kerry Quimby-Zenich (& Henry D. Zenich)

Green Ridge Loop 20 years

Panoramic Estates

4oregonz@gmail.com

541-549-1340

Whitney Lowe

Jun 20, 2022

Replying to

@Z, Henry & Kerry We have not had any luck getting any clarification on Glenn's attempted ballot measure, so perhaps you will be able to. It sounds like you are assuming a ballot measure would be written with the funding base on assessed value (and I note that you are saying that is your preference as well). I have talked to numerous home owners in the community that support the idea of a road project, but not if it is based on assessed value (a number of them have recently relocated to the neighborhood, so would end up paying significantly more). So, if you want to continue looking into this, I will welcome any information you are able to get on this from Glenn Brown. However, I feel pretty confident in saying we would not see any ballot measure pass for the reasons I mentioned until there is some kind of vote or agreement on these two items: 1. who gets to vote 2. how the project funds will be assessed.

Z, Henry & Kerry

Jun 24, 2022

Replying to

@Whitney Lowe , I did speak to the County today. They said only those whose reside here can vote. I asked about the shared costs, they said that could be done, if a vote was taken and agreed on by the residence of Panoramic.

Jim Becker

Jun 19, 2022

Melody

Not to add to the fire in the comments but, please explain who “You” is. I did not make those statements you mentioned.

The District’s only source of money is the annual tax revenue. Please review the budget that has been presented at the last 2 meetings, you will see the district receives less than $ 40,000 next year. I agree grading, snow removal is important, so is fixing Buckhorn to the people that have to drive it.

Your statement of “Love the way you are out for the “Greater Good” If dial is correct you don’t have to drive Buckhorn and Hinkle Butte is in good shape.

The District is not allowed to print money so it has to do what it can with the money received.

Please work with the board and find solutions to the real problems.

johnsonmk

Jun 19, 2022

Replying to

@Jim Becker The “you” was referring to the Board as a

whole. The statement ”greater good “ was referring to Nyle and the neighbors. My main concern is that spending all the road fund money on Buckhorn and leaving no money in the fund for grading and plowing is scary. When I wrote this Whitney responded that money would be set aside for grading and plowing. I drive Panoramic and believe you me I know how bad Buckhorn is. I totally agree it needs to be fixed. In the budget In the 2nd resolution it says what is appropriated to road maintenance was $49,000 and what the bid was for Buckhorn was $48,750. That was very concerning to me. Because in my mathematical wizard of my mind I could see there was not enough money to grade or plow the roads. And like I told Whitney I was envisioning all of us trapped. I am

sorry you think I think the board prints money. 😂. I will tell you the truth I haven’t agreed on how you have spent the money. $30,000 Attorney fees this last year. Whew!! That is a little much in my book. Oh well that is water under the bridge. Anyway I hope not all the road fund money is spent on Buckhorn! So I will pray for a whole lot cheaper bid. Reread my comment above And I think you will see I was not referring only to you Jim. I have apologized for my antagonism. Just very nervous you all. Don’ t look forward to possibly having a problem getting out of here this winter. Melody Johnson

johnsonmk

Jun 19, 2022

Replying to

@Jim Becker the statement “hope we have a mild winter” was made by Nyle. Not you. Okay there we go. I think I cleared everything up for you I hope. Actually Nile said hope we don’t have excessive snow. Melody Johnson

Jim Becker

Jun 19, 2022

Thanks for your suggestions, that information will be reviewed.

Whitney answered most of your points so I won't address them.

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Replying to

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Z, Henry & Kerry

Jun 19, 2022

Hello Jim, We are replying to your request. We were not at the meeting, but have read the minutes and listened to the recording. We feel as if the board (or at least Nyle) just wants to have their/his way. At the May meeting, the Ballot Measure was discussed by many, including Nyle. We and several others have stated that we would vote in favor of the Otta- Seal project if presented on a ballot. We wanted our value to be our own, not the split value that was put on the initial ballot that the Board chose. It seems as if the Board (again, or Nyle) are worried it will not pass and are not considering all of the new neighbors that did and would support it. We also do not want to see one cent of our remaining monies used on legal expenses brought on by this, now or in the future. Nyle states "initially" and we are unsure why he phrased it that way and what he means. That should be clarified. It sounds like he and whoever else are the neighbors considering this are talking asphalt. At some point, if this does go to a ballot measure, for otta-seal, as discussed, can otta-seal be connected to the asphalt that they may put in if it proves to be legal? Nyle has shown his true colors the last few months, with his way or no way....well, there is no other way, is there? We also agree with the Johnson family in their reply above. HOW can Buckhorn or Panoramic be repaired now with the minimal funds we have left in our Road Board account, and still maintain the roads that will not be worked on? "The District is charged with maintaining roads within the boundaries of the Panoramic Access Road District, which is a designated special tax district with the county." We truly feel that this road board (all or Nyle) has dug a great big hole for Panoramic to dig itself out of, with the vision of the roads being done one way, period. The challenges by the local resident started at least two years ago. This could have been taken care of two years ago, without all of the legal fees, as he stated every time he wrote something, that he supports the roads being done, in fact, he supported asphalt, but wanted it done on the ballot, per the residency requirements set forth by the supreme court. Many people in Panoramic likely own homes elsewhere, us included, we pay the taxes as they are voted on and we do not get to vote on anything there. That is our choice in keeping our home out of state. The people that do not live here, know the rules, as anyone owning property or vacation or rental homes anywhere in the USA would be aware of. We wish we could remember Bruce Bowen's reply on this in a meeting a few months back when it was being argued. He spoke very eloquently and was knowledgeable on the subject. He also said he supported the road improvement, just not the way the Board went about it. Whether or not the Road Board (and/or Nyle) agrees or disagrees, it is the law in Oregon and most US States, if not all. Your voting residence is the state you live in or the last residence you lived in if you leave the USA and want to continue voting as a US Resident. Right or wrong in anyone's opinion, it is the way voting was established many years ago. All of the Board Members during the last few years are intelligent people and are well aware of this. WE DID not get to vote on this way of voting for the roads, the Panoramic Road Board did that voting based on the opinions after meeting with the special road committee who far outnumbered others at the meetings, in person, and on zoom. Jim and Whitney, you both ran for the volunteer positions you are in and were not on the original push for the roads. We have so many questions and hopefully, some of them will be answered. In all of the three-member Board of Commissioners for Panoramic Road District, we have always seen the board members rotate positions. WHY is it that Nyle has remained the President and seems to do very little but direct others at the meetings? He is the least diplomatic of all of the Board Members/Commissioners over the last term since he joined the board. Not that diplomacy is a condition of being on the board, it probably is not, but thinking of the community as a whole is. Choosing to pave their own properties, may be legal, however, we do not want pavement at our property, never did, and is one of the main reasons we chose to live here twenty years ago. What precedent will this set for the future if others choose they want something else. We have always been told that you do not work on the roads in front of your home, that is the commissioner's responsibility. When we chose to purchase here, we had kids on bikes, motorcycles, and horses, and did not want, especially the horses, on asphalt. We like walking the dirt roads. When we went at the Board's request to look at the Otta Seal in the Sunriver area, with Jim's assistance, we reported back that it was much like it is now, with no cinder and no dust, but looked like rocks. We walked on it, walked our dogs on it, and drove on it. We also checked out the messes that were done in Bend. Where will this leave future boards if this proves legal, at the homeowners' who are choosing to do this, at their expense? Will it mean that we are all stuck with asphalt if future road improvements go fairly onto a ballot? If that is the case, we will fight it as we DO NOT want asphalt now or ever. It really is amazing that no one has filed a conflict of interest against Nyle as he and Lee had been told they could vote, but not verbalize (not looking up exactly what was said, but is on the website) their feelings on it due to their property values, they could possibly be seen as benefiting from this process. We never leave a meeting not knowing what Nyle wants. That is the truth. At the May meeting when he argued with several of us, or attempted to, about getting this on a ballot, which by the way there is still time to do, he finally mentioned maybe something to think about. He said it would not pass as it never had before. Kerry tried to talk about new homeowners since the last time this was voted on per Deschutes County Elections, he asked where we got our numbers. Nyle needs to resign in our opinion. He is not a great person to be a commissioner. He has initiated many arguments that have occurred over the last several years. He also received one bid for the asphalt repairs on Buckhorn and said they were to begin in August, without having the other two members agree on this or getting the required three bids. No voting was done unless the board is meeting prior and discussing all of these things. Some things have to happen that way, and when the special committee was established, which was never done in the past, that was understandable. Jim and Whitney, you were both leaders on that special committee and your time and work was appreciated. Again, what did Nyle do? He needs to explain what his comment was "initially" covering the legal fees. When does he not think he (they) should be held responsible? AND why? Again, rethinking the AWFUL Buckhorn and Panoramic Road conditions, do need to be looked at, but our roads need to be maintained also. HOW will that happen with the minimal funds that are remaining at the bid that Nyle received? We have looked up a few companies. will copy and paste it below, for a very long post! It does not always have to be the same one or two he gets bids from. There is a new licensed contractor in Sisters who does asphalt and crushed asphalt, but not otta-seal. Several companies do state they do otta- seal or similar. Are these Nyle's friends' companies that are always given the opportunity to bid? Also in the last meeting, there was some bashing of the last commissioners for not making the last companies repair the asphalt. Were we keeping up on it as we were supposed to? How much more damage was done by Nyle and other board members meeting with concrete (that we paid for at his rate) and concrete mixers, water, and manual labor of residents? That seemed to make it worse, not better, the few times we have driven that way. Jim your accounting is appreciated. We know you understand that all of this work cannot be done with the funds we have. When does the county cut a tax check to Panoramic? We do feel bad for the folks that must drive that way DAILY and are sure glad that we do not have to. Again, as someone said in the meeting recording, SLOW DOWN. There have been a few folks in the past that complain about those two roads who we have witnessed the way they drive on them. We are going to put the list in a separate post. Apologies that this is so lengthy. We were sorry we forgot about the meeting. Regards, Henry & Kerry (Quimby-) Zenich Green Ridge Loop 4oregonz@gmail.com

ewolf97

Jun 23, 2022

Replying to

Morning Kerry, I wanted to answer some of the questions here as best I can from what I think is happening.

Otta Seal questions and issues - this project is off the table at this point. Any future consideration of this project - and all of the issues that go with it - should be saved for a future board. As far as I know, this current board is not going to pursue it further.

Independent paving proposals by neighbors: this idea is being investigated. As you suggest, clarifying who will be responsible for legal representation of the project is important. If you have other specific suggestions for what to look into on this proposal, let the board note. Short, to the point suggestions are easier to read than the long lengthy letters that take so long to pick apart.

Fixing Buckhorn - not really an option as the legal ramifications of doing nothing on this road are high (as the Dept of Transportation and the Dept of Env Quality point out in their information on potholes on public roads).

Money in the fund - we do not have "limited" funds, there is sufficient funds to fix Buckhorn and grade and do snow plowing. As in every previous year of this history of this road district, some sections of roads need more improvement than others. The district has to prioritize the most needy sections and balance that expenditure with their ongoing maintenance expenditures.

Concrete - that was done for free by those that volunteered. This was a temporary fix to help the neighbors that drive that road. I am sorry you were unhappy with it. I just don't understand how the board can be bashed for trying to help all of us who drive that road (i.e: "more damage by....board members").

Finally, I am sorry you do not support fixing Buckhorn, as you say, "you don't have to drive it." Frankly, there is money to do some kind of repair, likely not the full asphalt as proposed by one of the first bidders, but something. Just because we do not drive on all the roads doesn't mean that we shouldn't care about our neighbors' experience and the discomfort - and expense - they have in navigating such a poor section.

Z, Henry & Kerry

Jun 24, 2022

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@ewolf97 I (Kerry) agreed with you over the phone yesterday (when you called me), that Buckhorn does need to be done, hence our long list of companies we provided, which you said were appreciated. We all hope that a lower bid and job comes in that can cover the work needed. You also said you would be presenting something at the meeting on what happened to Buckhorn. We look forward to what you are going to say and am interested if you were able to get ahold of Taylor NW and have them be responsible for some of the repairs. It is an awful road, We doubt anyone argues that. It is the most traveled road in Panoramic and is horrible. How people come in and look at properties for sale, drive that road, then buy something, is beyond us. Maybe they are being told that the roads will be paved, as someone reported at a meeting a few years ago, that they had been told. Yes, your husband said our note was a lot to unpack, however, we addressed the things Jim has asked us to. We did not mean to "bash" the folks trying to help make the road more drivable, and if those that drove it found it helpful, we apologize, We drove it a few times and thought it was still awful. I (Kerry) personally drove it to your home twice, to bring your sick birds, and it was an awfully long stretch to get to your remote home. I think I would take Enewetak to Hurtley Ranch Road daily if we lived that way.

Our reason for posting what we did, is to find out what was legal to do, I guess we will learn that Tuesday, what will be written up to prevent this from setting some type of presedence where people can do what they want to the roads since just a few years ago, we were told we were not to work on the roads in front of our homes. We also wanted to see if we could assist with the Ballot Measure being presented while there would still be time on Otta-Seal, if folks were still interested in some type of road resurfacing. Maybe not from what you have written. We want to know if we choose to do otta-seal, which we investigated very well, will it work with any asphalt that is done? Who will do the upkeep on asphalt if done? What liability will there be? We wanted otta-seal and may still look into it in the future. It looks just like our roads now, but with no cinder or dust. We did think it was a good solution for Panoramic where people wanted dirt or rock roads when choosing to live here and several were adamantly against the asphalt. We did not mean to instigate issues in Panoramic just trying to work for the good of all.